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	<title>Comments on: Designing for Permanence</title>
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		<title>By: SEO-Search Engine Optimization</title>
		<link>http://kanevski.org/2007/10/designing-permanence/comment-page-1/#comment-25017</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO-Search Engine Optimization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right about the lack of having a manual or direction better yet a method of doing SEO. 

I believe that after 13 years of hard won knowledge, I don&#039;t care to share because the competition will double or something. The competuition is alread intense for SEO&#039;s. Google SEO and find out for yourself. It rivals a google search for s*x.

Besides, every three months or so when Google dances, the rules shift a bit.

And as far as aggressive techniques, they are so complicated and require such perserverance that SEO is really not for the faint of heart. 

I am writing a &quot;Secret Manual for Succesful SEO&quot; and I will never sell it. It is just a formulary for me to be organized when a new client comes along. It would be worth 5-6 figures. (Jeez, aren&#039;t I full of myself...)

Search for &quot;Film Music Writer&quot; You will seeMy client is number 4 after 2 months of my SEO. And guess what, I am NOT an accomplised SEO, my peers are still teaching me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right about the lack of having a manual or direction better yet a method of doing SEO. </p>
<p>I believe that after 13 years of hard won knowledge, I don&#8217;t care to share because the competition will double or something. The competuition is alread intense for SEO&#8217;s. Google SEO and find out for yourself. It rivals a google search for s*x.</p>
<p>Besides, every three months or so when Google dances, the rules shift a bit.</p>
<p>And as far as aggressive techniques, they are so complicated and require such perserverance that SEO is really not for the faint of heart. </p>
<p>I am writing a &#8220;Secret Manual for Succesful SEO&#8221; and I will never sell it. It is just a formulary for me to be organized when a new client comes along. It would be worth 5-6 figures. (Jeez, aren&#8217;t I full of myself&#8230;)</p>
<p>Search for &#8220;Film Music Writer&#8221; You will seeMy client is number 4 after 2 months of my SEO. And guess what, I am NOT an accomplised SEO, my peers are still teaching me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ephram Zerb &#187; Blowing Out the Dust: Recent Work Edition</title>
		<link>http://kanevski.org/2007/10/designing-permanence/comment-page-1/#comment-22516</link>
		<dc:creator>Ephram Zerb &#187; Blowing Out the Dust: Recent Work Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] very appropriate that the last proper post on this blog was titled &#8220;Designing for Permanence&#8221; &#8212; a post espousing an approach to web design in which one aims to create an enduring [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] very appropriate that the last proper post on this blog was titled &#8220;Designing for Permanence&#8221; &#8212; a post espousing an approach to web design in which one aims to create an enduring [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Nicol</title>
		<link>http://kanevski.org/2007/10/designing-permanence/comment-page-1/#comment-11288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Nicol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought provoking read!

When you cite the role of design annuals in conserving designs that demonstrate immaculate craft, do you include in that definition publications that feature website designs?

There are many coffee table design books that feature websites, celebrating their layout by means of printed screenshots. Seldom is consideration to the site&#039;s content, usability, accessibility, information architecture, or any of the other aspects of information design that go into producing a successful website. Instead, the site is judged by its layout alone.

This reductionist approach raises the question of whether a website design can in fact achieve cultural longevity irrespective of any consideration of web standards. Could, for instance, a Flash website be encapsulated by a series of screenshots, reproduced in print form or preserved as digital images? According to the graphic design establishment, it can, albeit in a compromised form.

Then again, who is to say that 200 years from now humans will possess the means by which to view present day websites at all? HTML and CSS will no doubt be long dead, and without the aid of a &#039;firefox emulator&#039; or similar, the design archaeologist might be left with a few very dull text files to pore over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought provoking read!</p>
<p>When you cite the role of design annuals in conserving designs that demonstrate immaculate craft, do you include in that definition publications that feature website designs?</p>
<p>There are many coffee table design books that feature websites, celebrating their layout by means of printed screenshots. Seldom is consideration to the site&#8217;s content, usability, accessibility, information architecture, or any of the other aspects of information design that go into producing a successful website. Instead, the site is judged by its layout alone.</p>
<p>This reductionist approach raises the question of whether a website design can in fact achieve cultural longevity irrespective of any consideration of web standards. Could, for instance, a Flash website be encapsulated by a series of screenshots, reproduced in print form or preserved as digital images? According to the graphic design establishment, it can, albeit in a compromised form.</p>
<p>Then again, who is to say that 200 years from now humans will possess the means by which to view present day websites at all? HTML and CSS will no doubt be long dead, and without the aid of a &#8216;firefox emulator&#8217; or similar, the design archaeologist might be left with a few very dull text files to pore over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://kanevski.org/2007/10/designing-permanence/comment-page-1/#comment-7282</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article EZ, I totally agree. It&#039;s all about doing these things for the right reasons (you listed many, another is ease of maintenance), and getting the SEO as a bonus.

Recently we&#039;ve been slightly concerned about the SEO with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vinquire.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vinquire.com&lt;/a&gt; lately. I&#039;ve always tried to concentrate on accessibility and web standards throughout the project, however, we didn&#039;t think we were getting properly indexed by the major search engines. This led me to do some SEO R&amp;D, only to find a lot of misguided advice. I did find some useful things, but as EZ made clear, those things should have already been taken care of with proper design.

The moral of the story is that in this way web design is similar to programming: first design and implement something the &quot;correct way&quot; (the quickest, most straightforward way according to the language/technology), then analyze. If you&#039;re not seeing the desired performance/efficiency, &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; you optimize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article EZ, I totally agree. It&#8217;s all about doing these things for the right reasons (you listed many, another is ease of maintenance), and getting the SEO as a bonus.</p>
<p>Recently we&#8217;ve been slightly concerned about the SEO with <a href="http://www.vinquire.com" rel="nofollow">Vinquire.com</a> lately. I&#8217;ve always tried to concentrate on accessibility and web standards throughout the project, however, we didn&#8217;t think we were getting properly indexed by the major search engines. This led me to do some SEO R&amp;D, only to find a lot of misguided advice. I did find some useful things, but as EZ made clear, those things should have already been taken care of with proper design.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is that in this way web design is similar to programming: first design and implement something the &#8220;correct way&#8221; (the quickest, most straightforward way according to the language/technology), then analyze. If you&#8217;re not seeing the desired performance/efficiency, <em>then</em> you optimize.</p>
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